tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357262844016295998.post7964367582488445761..comments2023-11-03T05:53:50.641-07:00Comments on With new eyes: What if the Calvinists and Arminians are both wrong (and right) about predestination?Wesley Rostollhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14110189635576168594noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357262844016295998.post-29603910931931526942019-05-01T10:38:16.918-07:002019-05-01T10:38:16.918-07:00Thanks for the comment and I loved what you said, ...Thanks for the comment and I loved what you said, especially the quote from Psalm 131. Some things we may just never figure out and that is okay, let's work on the things that we do know and grow from there.Wesley Rostollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14110189635576168594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357262844016295998.post-36240100323849865132019-05-01T05:49:00.146-07:002019-05-01T05:49:00.146-07:00I agree we need a new perspective. It seems both s...I agree we need a new perspective. It seems both sides in Calvanism Vs Arminianism are forced to fudge certain parts of scripture to get it to fit into their own world view. I listened to a recorded sermon by Dr Martyn Lloyd Jones (a Calvanist) trying to explain away the free will aspects of scripture. I am a huge fan of his - but again all of his explanations sounded like a fudge. My own view is that the answer is beyond our comprehension (a bit like the Trinity). I think calling ourselves Calvanists or Arminians is haughty - we are trying to square a circle. It is just beyond our limited thinking. The scripture I lean on is Psalm 131 "Lord, my heart is not proud; My eyes are not haughty. I don't concern myself with matters too great or awesome for me to grasp." and Deuteronomy 29:29 "The Lord has secrets known to no one." Yes, we should think and wrestle with scripture but in this particular instance we have to admit that is is not possible for us to take either view without denying aspects of scripture (or fudging it). stratology.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09591649695089107189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357262844016295998.post-6601924128208806562018-01-22T16:18:12.916-08:002018-01-22T16:18:12.916-08:00I've come to a similar view myself, mostly bas...I've come to a similar view myself, mostly based on Romans 8:29-30. <br /><br />Basically what I usually state is that God foreknew us individually, but predestines us collectively to, among other things, be conformed into the image of His Son, Jesus. <br /><br />The example I sometimes use is that of a P.E. teacher who tells the class that anyone who is able to do 20 push-ups will get a ribbon. The teacher probably knows which students will be able to do the push-ups) though not with the same level of certainty that God knows who will believe), but he doesn't decide in advance who will receive the ribbons. Rather, he says that any student that meets the conditions will receive one. <br /><br />Likewise God has set Faith as the condition for Salvation, and because of His omniscience is perfectly aware of who will and will not meet that condition, so He Foreknows us. And likewise He has said that everyone who comes to saving Faith will be conformed to the image of His son, so anyone who believes is thus predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17416911391952005236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357262844016295998.post-27716822715847861742014-04-27T22:14:52.380-07:002014-04-27T22:14:52.380-07:00Yes. While the debate over Free will is an importa...Yes. While the debate over Free will is an important one I think it has moved our focus away from what almost all the texts are saying about the glorified and resurrected Christ and those who are found in him. Thanks for commenting.Wesley Rostollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14110189635576168594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7357262844016295998.post-84461750637462651022014-04-27T18:55:35.308-07:002014-04-27T18:55:35.308-07:00Your second point is especially interesting. The i...Your second point is especially interesting. The idea of placing the emphasis not on being chosen but what we are chosen for is one I hadn't thought about.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11973133722997836118noreply@blogger.com